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Inscription of Nullify Item Magic fixed, scroll made is now VIII instead of VI. --[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 11:54, 12 December 2008 (CST)
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Here are some guesses on what may or may not be in game, now or perhaps sometime later:
* Incantation of Armor Self
* Incantation of Enfeeble Other
* Incantation of Imperil Other
* Incantation of Mana Boost Other
* Incantation of Blood Drinker
* Incantation of Blood Loather
* Incantation of Hermetic Void
* Incantation of Lure Blade
* Incantation of Spirit Drinker
* Incantation of Spirit Loather
* Incantation of Turn Blade
* Incantation of Martyr's Hecatomb
* Incantation of Martyr's Blight
* Incantation of Martyr's Tenacity
* Incantation of Nuhmudira's Wisdom
* Incantation of Nuhmudira Enlightenment
* Incantation of Magic Item Tinkering Expertise Self
* Incantation of Health to Mana Self
* Incantation of Health to Stamina Self
* Incantation of Infuse Health Other
* Incantation of Infuse Mana Other
* Incantation of Infuse Stamina Other
* Incantation of Mana to Health Self
* Incantation of Mana to Stamina Other
* Incantation of Mana to Stamina Self
* Incantation of Stamina to Health Other
* Incantation of Stamina to Health Self
* Incantation of Stamina to Mana Other
--[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 11:54, 12 December 2008 (CST)
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I like that idea, however I think we could keep them here until the lists are complete (while we are compiling them), then move then once complete. --[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 17:10, 14 October 2008 (CDT)
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Do you think we should move the spell lists to their own pages and just link to them from the spell research page? --[[User:Atarax|Atarax]]
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Added a table so don't have to the math on every chest, can just look it up. I've found chests with just 3 comps, 4 comps, and 5 comps, so I included all the possible values. Of course it's always possible a combo with a weapon etc item can have the same burden, but 99% of the time will be just the comps. --[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 17:02, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
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That's a good point, we should be more specific than just skills since there are differences in how they combine in some cases. --[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 16:18, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
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I changed "benevolence + nullification != (skill)" to "benevolence + nullification != (non-magic school skill)" since it is ambiguous. It seems likely that magic school glyphs are used here, and unless someone has actually tried it we should be clear that it hasn't been tested.
--[[User:Virindi|Virindi]]
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I removed Ink of Transformation for the moment, I believe it may be an error, if anyone has found this themselves, please let us know or put it back with a capture, thanks. --[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 19:56, 21 September 2008 (CDT)
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Yeah, that would be interesting. --[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 13:25, 21 September 2008 (CDT)
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I found some of my old pictures from Beta and early retail, some of which feature the old spell research panels, should I upload one or 2?--[[User:Jedismj|Jedismj]] 22:08, 20 September 2008 (CDT)
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I'm guessing that ink of nullification and the quill of extraction might make the dispels, what I'm not sure about is if they will use the creature/item/life magic glyphs or if there will be special glyphs. --[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 23:30, 10 September 2008 (CDT)
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By the way, it looks like they tweaked the experience earned from skill checks for level 8 spells.  Normally if you passed a skill check of, say, 252, you'd earn 252 xp into that skill, and 25 xp (10%) into your unused experience.  When I cast a level 8 life protection spell, though (skill check of 455), I earn 1001 into the skill, and 91 to unassigned.
By the way, it looks like they tweaked the experience earned from skill checks for level 8 spells.  Normally if you passed a skill check of, say, 252, you'd earn 252 xp into that skill, and 25 xp (10%) into your unused experience.  When I cast a level 8 life protection spell, though (skill check of 455), I earn 1001 into the skill, and 91 to unassigned.


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Some elements needing confirmation (mostly exact names of glyphs):
"Success rate with skill buffed to 435 was about 33%." Could you expand on what this refers to, is this able to use the scroll? Is the scroll lost if fails? --[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 05:27, 1 September 2008 (CDT)
* [[Inscription of Creature Enchantment Mastery Self]] = [[Quill of Introspection]] + [[Mana Scarab]] + [[Ink of Formation]] + [[Glyph of Creature Enchantment]]
 
* [[Inscription of Bludgeon Lure]] = [[Quill of Infliction]] + [[Mana Scarab]] + [[Ink of Objectification]] + [[Bludgeon Glyph]]
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* [[Inscription of Acid Bane]] = [[Quill of Benevolence]] + [[Mana Scarab]] + [[Ink of Objectification]] + [[Acid Glyph]]
 
* [[Inscription of Lightning Protection Self]] = [[Quill of Introspection]] + [[Mana Scarab]] + [[Ink of Transformation]] + [[Lightning Glyph]]
Also, the devs have said in the release notes that there are no level 8 vulns, imperil, or defender. Those spells are not possible to learn. -Konnir
--[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 15:18, 7 September 2008 (CDT)
 
 
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"Success rate with skill buffed to 435 was about 33%." Could you expand on what this refers to, is this able to use the scroll? Is the scroll lost if fails? --[[User:Tlosk|Tlosk]] 05:27, 1 September 2008 (CDT)
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Latest revision as of 11:54, 12 December 2008

Inscription of Nullify Item Magic fixed, scroll made is now VIII instead of VI. --Tlosk 11:54, 12 December 2008 (CST)


Here are some guesses on what may or may not be in game, now or perhaps sometime later:

  • Incantation of Armor Self
  • Incantation of Enfeeble Other
  • Incantation of Imperil Other
  • Incantation of Mana Boost Other
  • Incantation of Blood Drinker
  • Incantation of Blood Loather
  • Incantation of Hermetic Void
  • Incantation of Lure Blade
  • Incantation of Spirit Drinker
  • Incantation of Spirit Loather
  • Incantation of Turn Blade
  • Incantation of Martyr's Hecatomb
  • Incantation of Martyr's Blight
  • Incantation of Martyr's Tenacity
  • Incantation of Nuhmudira's Wisdom
  • Incantation of Nuhmudira Enlightenment
  • Incantation of Magic Item Tinkering Expertise Self
  • Incantation of Health to Mana Self
  • Incantation of Health to Stamina Self
  • Incantation of Infuse Health Other
  • Incantation of Infuse Mana Other
  • Incantation of Infuse Stamina Other
  • Incantation of Mana to Health Self
  • Incantation of Mana to Stamina Other
  • Incantation of Mana to Stamina Self
  • Incantation of Stamina to Health Other
  • Incantation of Stamina to Health Self
  • Incantation of Stamina to Mana Other

--Tlosk 11:54, 12 December 2008 (CST)


I like that idea, however I think we could keep them here until the lists are complete (while we are compiling them), then move then once complete. --Tlosk 17:10, 14 October 2008 (CDT)


Do you think we should move the spell lists to their own pages and just link to them from the spell research page? --Atarax


Added a table so don't have to the math on every chest, can just look it up. I've found chests with just 3 comps, 4 comps, and 5 comps, so I included all the possible values. Of course it's always possible a combo with a weapon etc item can have the same burden, but 99% of the time will be just the comps. --Tlosk 17:02, 1 October 2008 (CDT)


That's a good point, we should be more specific than just skills since there are differences in how they combine in some cases. --Tlosk 16:18, 1 October 2008 (CDT)


I changed "benevolence + nullification != (skill)" to "benevolence + nullification != (non-magic school skill)" since it is ambiguous. It seems likely that magic school glyphs are used here, and unless someone has actually tried it we should be clear that it hasn't been tested. --Virindi


I removed Ink of Transformation for the moment, I believe it may be an error, if anyone has found this themselves, please let us know or put it back with a capture, thanks. --Tlosk 19:56, 21 September 2008 (CDT)


Yeah, that would be interesting. --Tlosk 13:25, 21 September 2008 (CDT)


I found some of my old pictures from Beta and early retail, some of which feature the old spell research panels, should I upload one or 2?--Jedismj 22:08, 20 September 2008 (CDT)


I'm guessing that ink of nullification and the quill of extraction might make the dispels, what I'm not sure about is if they will use the creature/item/life magic glyphs or if there will be special glyphs. --Tlosk 23:30, 10 September 2008 (CDT)


By the way, it looks like they tweaked the experience earned from skill checks for level 8 spells. Normally if you passed a skill check of, say, 252, you'd earn 252 xp into that skill, and 25 xp (10%) into your unused experience. When I cast a level 8 life protection spell, though (skill check of 455), I earn 1001 into the skill, and 91 to unassigned.

In fact, they may have reduced the xp earned for lower level skill checks too...

By the way, the AC+ decal plugin shows the skill checks and experience earned.

--Widgeon 05:58, 10 September 2008 (CDT)


"Success rate with skill buffed to 435 was about 33%." Could you expand on what this refers to, is this able to use the scroll? Is the scroll lost if fails? --Tlosk 05:27, 1 September 2008 (CDT)


Also, the devs have said in the release notes that there are no level 8 vulns, imperil, or defender. Those spells are not possible to learn. -Konnir



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