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I don't know if someone is working on this, but if NOT, is it OK if I start on a sortable quest list? It would be sortable by name, level req, level recommended, timer, patch added, and year added.
Actually, I've kind of already started on it, just working on inputting the quests in order by patch (I'm probably 50% done with Release), because I didn't see it mentioned. However, I can stop, if I'm walking on someones toes here.
Thanks :)
I don't think anyone else has done anything like this, so go for it. I see you started at Quests (Sortable). As you can see, though, there are already problems with the level restrictions. When you sort by level, 8+ is listed as the highest one. There is also the issue of quests with various levels - olthoi pincers, moarsman forts, gaerlan, black mire temples, etc. Does each level of the quest get it's own line?
Suggestions:
- Use 3 digits for all levels, so they are sorted correctly. A level 35+ quest should be listed as level 035+, etc.
- Use only even 5s for level suggestions. Ice tachi looks odd at suggested level 11+, it should just be 10+ (and really, probably 5+, its really easy). The only time going by something other than 5s would be useful is at the lowest levels, 5-20, and people go by those levels so fast it is hardly worth giving the quests difficulties other than 5, 10, 15, and 20.
- Combine patch and year. No one wants to be able to sort patches alphabetically, its of no use. Display patches as YYYY/MM - [[Patch]] So release is 1999/11 - Release. This way patches are sorted by date, but still display the name and link to the article.
- Remove the timer column, for simplicity and because we may soon have a better option:
NoWorries posted that they will be standardizing quest timers. This means that once they implement this, we can edit the Quest Summary template to automatically add the timer as a category, and people will be able to browse automatically generated timer listings. When it comes to maintaining lists, having done for us will obviously be much easier.
- http://forums.ac.turbine.com/showthread.php?&postid=482030#post482030
- Also we will be standardizing our quest timers.
- A month will become the longest time frame, the times will be as follows:
- 1 month = 27 days
- 3 weeks = 20 days
- 2 weeks = 13 days
- 1 week = 6 days
- 3 days = 2 days 20 hours
- 1 day = 20 hours
--An Adventurer 20:46, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
And actually, you might just do away with the patch/date column all together, since the Quests page is a listing of quests by the patch they were added. In which case, the only info left on the table is level restrictions/suggestions, and I would suggest moving the page to either Quests by Level or Quests/By Level.
--An Adventurer 20:55, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
I had another idea entirely that you may want to consider:
Since, if you decide to go with my suggestions above, the only info on the table is level related, maybe a sortable table is not the best way to go. So I have two possible ideas:
1) Create a page or series of pages that list quests by their restrictions/suggestions combined. That is, if a quest is 0+ in restriction but 100+ in difficulty, it is placed under the 100+ quests. You could create a single page (Quests by Level or Quests/By Level) where each level range is its own header (== Level 5+ quests ==, etc) or, if you want the page to be easier to load, make multiple sub pages. For example:
- Quests/By Level - links to all the sub pages
- ...
2) Create categories and add them to all quests. This would work well with my post at Forum:New quest categories
Both ways, you'll have to simplify restrictions and suggestions to even 5s, but I think that'll be more manageable anyway.
--An Adventurer 21:07, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
Right - I realized that the Patch and Year were largely irrelevent, so I did take those out. It now just lists Quest, Level Req, Level Recommended. I've stolen both just from each individual quest page so that is why there is the wierdness with 11+ level recommendation, etc. However, your categories idea seems like a good one. Right now I am just going through, patch-by-patch, and adding quests to the table. So I think I will finish this general table, then break it down afterwards into Quests > By Level > 5+ like you suggested.
Can we think of this as just a rough draft? ;) I've only edited pages a small amount before, so I'm still trying to figure out what all I can do, and the proper ways to do things.
Thank you so much for the input. --Ruhelosseele 21:25, December 22, 2009 (UTC)ruhelosseele
I like the idea of quest-by-level categories and have been thinking about it a bit myself (I'm tired of keeping a spreadsheet of them). I looked at a couple of other wikis and one had quest level categories such as QL01-10, QL11-15, QL16-20, etc. The "QL" was kind of cryptic and looked stupid when auto-sorted in a category list though.
I like Quests/By Level, but maybe the categories shouldn't be like 5+, but instead 5-10, 11-15, etc. (whatever looks best when sorted, you may need preceeding zeros which does look stupid). You'll want to figure out if you're going with minimum level or suggested level, or some combination (both can be handy in different situations). I'm not sure how the auto-sorting category pages work exactly but user experience of the final, display page should be taken into consideration.
-- Dr Doom HG (talk) 18:52, December 23, 2009 (UTC)